Anonymous said: though, in the comics, it was indeed Thor who held Loki down, so his lips could be sewn (can't remember just now, if he see or not). I gonna try to find the panels online if you like. ^.^
Oh! Sure, if that’s not too much trouble. Now I’m curious.
Here you go:
Anon didn’t mention, but it’s important to know that this is not a main issue. It’s a solo run, four issues all about Loki, that attempts to blend a little more with the mythology; they’re not part of the main universe (but nonetheless can be viewed as backstory, since they fit fairly well).
Yes, I’m sorry, I was in the tub and my app first off sends all questions on anon for some unknown reason, and, secondly, I wasn’t sure anymore if it was a solo run or main-verse. ^.^
So thank you very much welcometotheoldworld to clear this up for me! ^.^
-goes away to cry a little bit-
Further context is also really important for this story, though!
In those panels, Loki is ranting about why he’s so pissed off at everyone, why he killed Balder, how he gave all these gifts to the other gods, and the entire story is making it very clear that Loki is not a reliable narrator, so NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED.
On the page right after that, Thor gives it due consideration (because their lives are so long and because he’s genuinely listening to Loki, he’s trying to be fair) and says:
The point of that story was that Loki had (likely not deliberately, but still did so) twisted the truth because of how he felt, all the ways he was twisted around inside (in sympathetic ways, but he still was not seeing things clearly), that it was not what actually happened.
(It’s not canon to 616, iirc, though. But still! It’s interesting to discuss! I really enjoyed those issues, they’re good for a Loki story, and they tend to get misquoted a lot, so sorry to barge in and all that. :)
Ooh see! That makes a lot more sense to me, personally. Because Loki is poetic, and not often literal with his words. (As I see it)
A metaphor for his emotions, or an exaggeration for the reader to better understand how the situation felt to him.
(In probably way off. Ignore me.)
If you ever get a chance to read it, I do recommend it! It’s a little more straight up Norse mythology than the comics usually go, but it’s very interesting and does a good job of making Loki a fascinating character! ♥
With this situation, Loki was being serious, he thought those events he described really did happen, which is why Thor gives it serious thought, why he’s really listening to Loki, but says, no, that’s not how it happened. When Thor calls him on this, Loki FLIPS OUT (as people do when their fragile web of self-deceit collapse under someone knows the truth) and you realize that Loki’s not very reliable, that he’s gotten so consumed by his own narrative that he believed it himself.
Which is a lot of what made him so interesting and kind of sympathetic to me in this story! He wasn’t precisely doing it on purpose (imo—this part is open to interpretation, but it is presented by Loki as being true and he seemed to believe it himself, while the narrative points out that Loki’s version of things is massively slanted and often factually incorrect), but that he was so eaten up by jealousy and envy, he was so turned around by the intensity of his feelings, that he bought into this whole thing and believed his own stories. ):
Loki’s response especially was amazing, and its a LOT of the themes I love in stories that are based on mythologies - especially the ‘villains’ who have to live those mythologies down.
The role of the ‘story’ and mythos associated with Thor and Loki lead to some of the best stories as well - Blood Brothers, which has Loki confront that he will ALWAYS be the bad guy, Kieron Gillen’s Journey into Mystery, which is about Little Loki trying to escape not just his reputation, and who he was, but also the story that wants him to again fill those malevolent tricksters shoes again… and then there’s this story, which has Loki tell Thor flat out that because people tell these stories about him, that makes it just as true as what actually happened.