cantheysuffer asked: do you remember any specific comic loki insisted on using male pronouns when he was lady loki? not that I don't believe you, i'd just like to read the source material to use it for an essay haha
So I skimmed through about half of JMS’s run, and here’s a few instances. Its not easy to actually find Loki using pronouns, because he tends to avoid using them, and I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if JMS made a point of avoiding them for various plot and writing reasons.
In issue 10, Loki welcomed Balder into Thor and Loki’s Brotherhood.
And then in Thor 9, you have Loki make a great backhanded reply to the warriors 3’s comments about his manhood and lack of it (which of course is so wonderfully disingenuous because Loki KNOWS he is wearing a Sif-Suit and had been tormenting Sif as she was trapped in the dying woman’s body)
There’s probs an instance or two more, but notably, Loki never refers to himself as a woman, so much as manifesting his change in fate. (Thor 05)
Anonymous asked: Is the mighty thor lord of asgard worth buying? they say three trades are important to that story and then you read thor dissembled. And what do you think of thor/amora?
To be honest, if I read the Lord of Asgard, I can’t honestly remember it. I’ve read some alt future Thor/Amora, but TBH, it’s not really my thing (and it tends to end in tears). It amuses me how much Thor is her manic pixie dream boy - she projects all these dreams and desires on him, and her desires for him pushes her to do more and to strive for better (in pursuit of da thor booty), but I’ve never really been that enamored with their dynamic together.
(Even though many of the elements of their dynamic together I don’t mind seeing when shipping thor with Loki - things like Amora lording it over sif, Amora bringing out some of the darker elements of Thor’s personality, and Thor bringing out the best of Amora’s… But for some reason I still ship things like Amora/Skurge or Amora/Heimdall more.Heck, I even ship Amora/Loki more than I ship Amora/Thor - though that doesn’t mean that I like it when writers forget that she’s super fixated on Thor. I get annoyed whenever Amora doesn’t ultimately betray her allies for Thor once she realizes that things are going too far, and Thor might actually DIE and not end up chained to her heart or something.)
Anonymous asked: When Loki appeared as a lady after the Siege nobody was really surprised. Do you think he was in a woman's body before? Do we know anything about Fenris Wolf's origin and early life more than that he is an offspring of Loki and Angerboda? We assume it was Angerboda who bore Fenris but is it possible that it was Loki in reality? Thus no surprise for him being a woman, he has done stranger things.
Actually, people were surprised, but Loki passed it off as no big deal - which well, was kinda his whole plan. Make everyone buy it, and convince everyone he was he who should be trusted (instead of he who should not be trusted). Loki has created illusions of being in a woman’s body before, but wearing Sif’s body to play the role of ‘lady loki’ as the longest stint he’s ever been shown to do in comics.
I honestly can’t remember much about Fenris’s origins. Half the time when he shows up, Loki acknowledges that he is his kid, but I don’t think they’ve ever really gone in depth into the angrboda thing (Angrboda does show up in the comics, but she’s only appeared a couple times - and the only appearance I remember clearly is when Thor meets the seeress angrboda in the underworld - so angrboda is actually already dead)
But in general - fenris, hela, and sometimes jormungandr are sometimes acknowledged as loki’s children - but honestly it depends on the writer and run if he’s literally treated as their father or not. Simonson treated Hela and Fenrir as Loki’s children, and acknowledged that it was a pretty manipulative relationship on Loki’s part, and that he really only looked them up when he could use them. Current Thor comics treat the relationship between Loki and Hela to be a lot more ambiguous, and well… jormungandr seems to not be part of the family tree, and everyone’s forgotten about Fenrir.
As far as who bore them in the MCU - in the past, I don’t think Loki was ever intended to be Fenrir’s ‘mother’ - unless we are talking about having magically created or summoned, or time travel-paradox’ed (a la Hela
's currently hinted origin), Loki was not written in the past as being his children's 'mother'.
Also, keep in mind that in the past, Loki has not been historically the most female-positive figure? As lady Loki, he stole a woman’s body to use it as he pleased and use it to manipulate people. When Loki has used the disguise of a woman in the past, it was often because he was tempting men, or using the disguise of a woman to make people let their guards down so he could start some mischief. Loki has never identified as a woman before ‘lady Loki’, and even INSISTED ON USING MALE PRONOUNS WHILE HE WAS WEARING SIF TO PLAY LADY LOKI.
Let me repeat this. Though Loki presented himself as a female, he still insisted on using MALE PRONOUNS.
Loki actually HASN’T done too many ‘weird’ things historically in the comics - Lady Loki is a new thing. Weirdest thing I can think of in the past often involved him being a disembodied soul- like taking over Odin’s body, or controlling armor. He doesn’t even transform himself into a woman when he needs a woman to kiss Thor - he controlled ANOTHER woman to make HER kiss Thor to put a spell on him.
So long story short - I don’t think Loki in the comics has been a physical woman that often, and not for that long (Everyone was surprised by Loki being a woman), and I don’t think Loki was Fenris’ mother in the past - though maybe he was Fenris’ creator.
Man, people keep stretching to try and make Loki more queer and genderfluid in the comics than he actually is.
Thor was genuinely surprised to see Loki as a woman. He thought he was resurrecting Sif and instead got the record scratch moment of it being Loki with tits. He then goes into full manipulation mode and plays it off as how the fates have chosen a new start for Loki. Thor grudgingly accepts.
Loki’s done a lot of weird things TO OTHER PEOPLE. Weird things to himself? Really not so much.
Also, a nitpick. Loki appeared in Sif’s body when Thor restored Asgard after the last Ragnarok. Siege is the event where Loki, who had by then abandoned his woman disguise in favour of being fully in his own body once more, is killed protecting Thor and Asgard from the Sentry.
Ah yes, I’d forgotten to address the siege thing to - yeah, raganarok and siege are different events in marvel.
Anonymous asked: Where is Balder right now? He came back in everything burns, but we never saw him again. Or maybe he's in the newest arc that I didn't read yet?
balder being forgotten means that this is just another tuesday
Anonymous asked: Was the male pronoun thing all that surprising? A female does not a woman make. It's still Loki, who's definitely a dude, so why would he suddenly start using female pronouns? (I realize I'm derailing that entire post you made WHICH WAS LOVELY, but now I'm thinking about all those fics that have Loki shapeshift and start calling him HER when he's in a different form and those irk me to no end.)
I think maybe its surprising to people who’ve come to comics after enjoying the movies, the mythology and the fandom.
All of these things don’t have that same element of mysogyny towards woman that Loki’s comic counterpart does. So it can be surprising if you’ve made one mental image of a character, and then it turns out that he wasn’t as positive in comics as you may have thought…. Despite having been a woman himself.
writelikeapen asked: Oh fabbity fab one... this humble new-ish Marvel fan (and mythology enthusiast, which means Marvel Loki in particular is strange to me) is drastically and dreadfully lost in the maze that is the fandom's extensive understanding of canon. Do you know of any good primer blog posts for the Marvel world? That put it from a fan's perspective, so that I can better understand the wonderful people in this fandom when they suddenly keyboard smash over something I've never heard of? Thanks awfully. :-)
Hmm… well I’m assuming your focus is Thor centric, since you mentioned Loki.
My suggestion is to start with Coipel’s run of Thor. Its a great start, since it practically begins from scratch (aka post-ragnarok), was well written, and was relatively self contained-ish.
As far as places that help you keep up with what’s going on with comics - I haven’t been a regular there in years, but years back, scans_daily was REALLY GREAT for keeping me up on what was happening in comics, even if I wouldn’t touch certain crossover events with a 40 foot pole (aka, civil war). There is NSFW content posted there, but they also have a very wonderfully detailed tagging system that should make finding posts with particular characters relatively easy. The site isn’t what it once was in the LJ days, but its a great place to get snips and pieces of old and current events accross comic-dom.
Um… other than that - The tumblr Journey into Mystery has been pretty good and always willing to help. You might also look into what trades are within circulation at your local library if you wanted to read some comic archives. Barring that. Thor year one is a GREAT reboot of Thor’s origins - good writing, good art, and while it wont give you much background, its worth the price of admission.